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College athletics is a great deal -- Squatro 03/18/2021 5:07PM I was a recruited walkon for Tennis at VT AND Pre-Med..... -- Shbolf 03/18/2021 2:29PM Maybe I should my own movement #Donotneedtowatch or #Noscholarshipperiod ** -- jdkhokie 03/18/2021 1:46PM It seems like players have two problems -- VermontDDS 03/18/2021 1:12PM College athletics are at a tipping point . . . -- vt88hokie 03/18/2021 11:48AM Why are you paying walkons $100k? -- hoosnowahokie 03/18/2021 2:48PM Baseball players won't get a dime, it will be limited to FB and BB. -- vt88hokie 03/18/2021 3:06PM You don't understand how this works then. -- hoosnowahokie 03/18/2021 3:18PM The system does suck, but the reason its been that way is because -- vt88hokie 03/18/2021 3:28PM That sounds great but again the money will go to the revenue athletes. ** -- vt88hokie 03/18/2021 3:25PM You're not thinking like boosters and coaches think. The walk-ons are -- vt88hokie 03/18/2021 3:00PM How many times has that happened to Virginia Tech? -- hoosnowahokie 03/18/2021 3:13PM You make a good point, but there will be one major difference. The Cam -- vt88hokie 03/18/2021 3:24PM The kids ARE real student athletes ** -- 133743Hokie 03/18/2021 12:11PM Obviously, you haven't visited the UNC campus in the last 25 years :) ** -- VPI63 03/18/2021 1:15PM So they would all gain admission to VT if they weren't scholarship athletes ** -- vt88hokie 03/18/2021 12:13PM Most definitely not all. But they are active students or they wouldn't -- 133743Hokie 03/18/2021 12:18PM This argument gets brought up every time... -- GCHokie34 03/18/2021 11:53AM You totally miss the point. The walk ons are actually 4-5 Stars. They -- vt88hokie 03/18/2021 12:03PM You think there will be a team made up of 90 5 star kids?! -- GCHokie34 03/18/2021 12:04PM You are being silly now. ** -- 40ozDistrict 03/18/2021 12:08PM Again you totally miss the point. 5 stars will get paid. 4 stars also -- vt88hokie 03/18/2021 12:06PM Youre not making a point is the problem... -- GCHokie34 03/18/2021 12:14PM And? I don't see a problem with that... ** -- NokieHokie 03/18/2021 12:07PM Talk about a messed up locker room where the 5-stars are in their BMW's and -- atlhokie1 03/18/2021 2:54PM So like normal life? ** -- NokieHokie 03/18/2021 3:07PM Why would that mess things up? Does the deep snapper on an NFL team -- reestuart 03/18/2021 3:07PM They are professionals and expect it, these are 18 yo's.. ** -- atlhokie1 03/18/2021 3:10PM Going by that, the walk ons would be ticked at the schollie guys. -- reestuart 03/18/2021 3:31PM Nope, walkons play at a school bc they didnt get a scholarship. -- atlhokie1 03/18/2021 8:13PM Lol, you think most of these guys haven't seen the inequality of life? -- hoosnowahokie 03/18/2021 3:30PM That's fine, but get ready for a total restructuring of college athletics. -- vt88hokie 03/18/2021 12:09PM You mean a world where only 3 schools are capable of a football champ -- reestuart 03/18/2021 12:31PM Well the intent IS to restructure college athletics. That's what this -- 133743Hokie 03/18/2021 12:15PM Letting them profit off of their NIL doesn't restructure anything. ** -- NokieHokie 03/18/2021 12:14PM Of course it will happen. An Indiana booster just gave 10M to buy out -- vt88hokie 03/18/2021 11:59AM Comes from a 'charity' -- lchoro 03/18/2021 3:24PM They didnt give 10M... -- GCHokie34 03/18/2021 12:09PM Thousands of boosters will be paying for 25-30 kids at a handful of -- vt88hokie 03/18/2021 12:11PM Thats a stark difference from 90 5-stars -- GCHokie34 03/18/2021 12:17PM You're being very naive. ** -- vt88hokie 03/18/2021 11:54AM Nah, go ahead...explain the logistics ** -- GCHokie34 03/18/2021 11:56AM It's always been the wild wild west in terms of recruiting. ** -- NokieHokie 03/18/2021 11:50AM Not compared to what's coming! ** -- vt88hokie 03/18/2021 11:52AM If VT or WVU has a great underclass player, UGA or FL will just offer $$$ -- vt88hokie 03/18/2021 11:54AM You think UGA or UF needs to offer money to steal a kid from VT/WVU? ** -- GCHokie34 03/18/2021 11:55AM Yes, if they're already here. I'm not talking about HS recruiting. I'm -- vt88hokie 03/18/2021 12:01PM Thats already illegal and would continue to be illegal... ** -- GCHokie34 03/18/2021 12:03PM Sure its illegal, but do you seriously think that will stop anything once -- vt88hokie 03/18/2021 12:10PM Thats like saying dont lower the speed limit... -- GCHokie34 03/18/2021 12:16PM Is is stopping anything now? ** -- NokieHokie 03/18/2021 12:16PM Same difference, ** -- NokieHokie 03/18/2021 11:53AM Rasing minimum wage wont affect small businesses -- kingofcassell 03/18/2021 11:46AM LOL ** -- VPI63 03/18/2021 12:27PM Paying players is different from NIL... -- GCHokie34 03/18/2021 11:50AM Not really. It might not cost the school a dime, but the school will be -- vt88hokie 03/18/2021 12:05PM No...they wont -- GCHokie34 03/18/2021 12:05PM I have, and what it looks like on paper will not resemble what it -- vt88hokie 03/18/2021 12:07PM You clearly havent... -- GCHokie34 03/18/2021 12:19PM Its relative. Poor schools have a harder time getting sponsors -- kingofcassell 03/18/2021 11:55AM Schools have nothing to do with NIL -- GCHokie34 03/18/2021 11:57AM Playing for UNC will add more zeroes to a players NIL paycheck -- kingofcassell 03/18/2021 12:00PM Radford isnt funding any cost... -- GCHokie34 03/18/2021 12:02PM Actually its going to cost them in compliance reporting and in funding -- 133743Hokie 03/18/2021 12:27PM The NCAA funds the salaries of compliance -- GCHokie34 03/18/2021 12:30PM I just explained the cost to the university ** -- 133743Hokie 03/18/2021 12:34PM Dump a couple of running game analysts and hire finance guys & accountants. -- reestuart 03/18/2021 12:34PM A walk on at UNC gets more social media followers than Radford scholarship -- kingofcassell 03/18/2021 12:07PM Not everyone has the same marketability... so be it. ** -- NokieHokie 03/18/2021 12:08PM I get that. to me, its going to crush small school athletic departments -- kingofcassell 03/18/2021 12:20PM Is Radford currently competing with UNC? ** -- GCHokie34 03/18/2021 12:25PM No but Wake Forest is. ** -- atlhokie1 03/18/2021 3:04PM No. but i thought the whole point was getting all players money -- kingofcassell 03/18/2021 12:28PM It's not about getting everyone money. It's about getting everyone money -- reestuart 03/18/2021 12:34PM I understand. but hows that helping in the long run? -- kingofcassell 03/18/2021 12:43PM I just don't think it hurts, and there are plenty of people that can at -- reestuart 03/18/2021 12:46PM The barn door -- Colonel Jessup 03/18/2021 2:21PM At least it gets the funneling of money out in the open. There's easily -- reestuart 03/18/2021 2:30PM Dressing up = citing intended, legit NLI examples -- Colonel Jessup 03/18/2021 2:42PM Those are great points -- kingofcassell 03/18/2021 12:50PM That's a good question. I tend to think that type of thing will be -- reestuart 03/18/2021 1:06PM Allowing NIL isnt the promise of NIL -- GCHokie34 03/18/2021 12:32PM I mean i get that - and i think thats right thing -- kingofcassell 03/18/2021 12:34PM That's life. ** -- NokieHokie 03/18/2021 1:00PM Tell that to Lil Dicky ** -- GCHokie34 03/18/2021 12:35PM Good pull there - a musical/marketing genius ** -- kingofcassell 03/18/2021 12:46PM Yeah, it's already like that now. Not a good excuse to artificially prevent -- NokieHokie 03/18/2021 12:24PM Has Mike Young made any kind of statement on this? -- Zanderhokie 03/18/2021 11:41AM Dont believe he has... -- GCHokie34 03/18/2021 11:47AM .but i have noticed him eating more popcorn than usual, FWIW. ** -- squarerootofone 03/18/2021 11:53AM Word on the street is Orville Redenbacher about to sign him to a major deal ** -- Zanderhokie 03/18/2021 12:01PM Not so fast. Jiffy Pop just upped the ante but only if he moves to JWU. ** -- 40ozDistrict 03/18/2021 1:06PM Great thread and discussion.... -- 2hhoop3 03/18/2021 11:32AM I saw that and here's my take... -- VPI63 03/18/2021 11:18AM The schools generate hundreds of millions of dollars off that investment. ** -- NokieHokie 03/18/2021 11:36AM What is the aggregate profit from what we take in? -- VPI63 03/18/2021 11:52AM The arms race is for recruiting because schools need kids to win and make $ ** -- NokieHokie 03/18/2021 11:54AM And the kids benefit from that ....you and I sure don't. ** -- VPI63 03/18/2021 11:58AM Not in proportion to the revenue they generate. Pretty sure they'd rather -- NokieHokie 03/18/2021 12:06PM Which pays for scholarships, facilities, etc. ** -- EDGEMAN 03/18/2021 11:42AM My point is schools don't do it out of charity... It's to make money. ** -- NokieHokie 03/18/2021 11:47AM I can absolutely put a price tag on that exposure... -- GCHokie34 03/18/2021 11:23AM Without that platform and the huge monies spent to develop them, they are -- VPI63 03/18/2021 11:31AM 2 NBA G-League participants are projected to be top 5 picks -- GCHokie34 03/18/2021 11:35AM Well, as I have said below, you quit whining and do what you have to do. -- VPI63 03/18/2021 11:56AM People at the very top of the talent scale always have options -- AshburnFarmHokie 03/18/2021 11:45AM Alston vs. NCAA -- lchoro 03/18/2021 10:32AM NCAA is getting paid almost $1 billion for the tourney this year, and the -- reestuart 03/18/2021 10:46AM Free money, free money!! -- VT757to276 03/18/2021 11:13AM I don't even think the NCAA needs to pay them. Just allow them to make -- reestuart 03/18/2021 11:49AM Nothing a P5 revenue athlete gets is "free." ** -- NokieHokie 03/18/2021 11:40AM Yeah I buy the "other full rides can make money" angle, not the 2 jobs one -- soflahokie 03/18/2021 10:28AM I originally held that viewpoint until I saw how many athletes... -- GCHokie34 03/18/2021 10:36AM Yeah, remember years ago I was watching an Ole Miss game (random) and -- atlhokie1 03/18/2021 3:09PM That was NOT the case for the baseball program 20 years ago -- VermontDDS 03/18/2021 1:19PM Then that becomes an issue with school priorities and requires governance -- soflahokie 03/18/2021 10:58AM There are absolutely success stories with athletes... -- GCHokie34 03/18/2021 11:02AM So should they even be there at all? ** -- 133743Hokie 03/18/2021 11:39AM That's a new and interesting angle/question -- soflahokie 03/18/2021 11:06AM The truth is players use the schools "likeness" -- VermontDDS 03/18/2021 1:22PM European countries have much better organized sports leagues for adults -- Zanderhokie 03/18/2021 11:58AM Good Summary and perspective CC..... -- 2hhoop3 03/18/2021 11:49AM BINGO! ** -- NokieHokie 03/18/2021 11:32AM So we try to fit a professional “foot” into an “amateur” shoe. ** -- Femoyer Hokie 03/18/2021 11:21AM God forbid they try to sign up for a night class that interferes. ** -- reestuart 03/18/2021 10:44AM Not a problem at UNC. :) ** -- VPI63 03/18/2021 11:20AM LOL! True dat! You want a night class? Here's an A!!! ** -- reestuart 03/18/2021 11:52AM Because P5 revenue sports are not about educating students. I don't know -- NokieHokie 03/18/2021 11:06AM Somewhat TIC, but engineering has always been tagged pre-business -- TomTurkey 03/18/2021 10:51AM I'm sorry, but no one, zero zilch people -- 48tnhokie 03/18/2021 10:22AM So... you don’t think they could get a college education w/o b’ball? -- ombandit 03/18/2021 10:37AM If you used the same criteria for admissions as non athletes, then no -- Hokey Pokey 03/18/2021 11:10AM Wasn't that the whole pretense of why schollies were -- RTFC 03/18/2021 10:56AM #1 youre selling them short -- GCHokie34 03/18/2021 11:07AM How is saying they have the capability to complete -- RTFC 03/18/2021 2:31PM Didn't say they couldn't go, we all have choices -- 48tnhokie 03/18/2021 10:56AM Genuinely...go tell that to Bede, Cone, etc ** -- GCHokie34 03/18/2021 10:31AM For real. ** -- Hokies23 03/18/2021 10:59AM Is there even enough money to pay all the athletes?If you pay BB players -- HokieBrazil 03/18/2021 10:04AM Amen! ** -- Atlee Hokie 03/18/2021 12:11PM Were you allowed to work a job on the side if you couldnt make ends meet? -- GCHokie34 03/18/2021 10:07AM Damn right I had to work... -- VPI63 03/18/2021 11:49AM The question wasnt "did you work" its "could you work" -- GCHokie34 03/18/2021 11:54AM Obviously, athletes should be allowed to work, and get pd ... -- Atlee Hokie 03/18/2021 12:16PM When they play, that's a form of work... -- VPI63 03/18/2021 12:11PM Personally, I had to work while going to school, because I had to pay for -- B Hokie 03/18/2021 10:47AM What would you have done if you werent allowed to work? ** -- GCHokie34 03/18/2021 10:50AM If you can’t afford to go to school, don’t go.....get a job....earn money -- CrystalCoveHokie 03/18/2021 11:00AM All in the name of "amateurism"... ** -- GCHokie34 03/18/2021 11:03AM If it were up to me, I'd do away with all scholarships, period. -- Atlee Hokie 03/18/2021 12:20PM I have no issue with players profiting off NIL...... -- CrystalCoveHokie 03/18/2021 11:14AM Thats another larger point... -- GCHokie34 03/18/2021 11:18AM They shouldn't "unionize". To do so would mean they are pure professionals -- Atlee Hokie 03/18/2021 12:29PM The coaches have a union...the NCAA is a union -- GCHokie34 03/18/2021 12:34PM As you will note, I'm for scrapping the whole D1A college deal. -- Atlee Hokie 03/18/2021 12:56PM All they need to do is organize a widespread strike..... -- CrystalCoveHokie 03/18/2021 11:26AM I personally would stop all participation on college sports. -- Atlee Hokie 03/18/2021 12:36PM This board and others like it would implode ** -- GCHokie34 03/18/2021 11:27AM Especially if said strike began at 12:14pm tomorrow. -- Zanderhokie 03/18/2021 11:47AM Bring it! ** -- NokieHokie 03/18/2021 11:55AM Negative. This would only result in UVA declaring themselves champs again ** -- Zanderhokie 03/18/2021 11:59AM Don't care... Burn the system down! :) ** -- NokieHokie 03/18/2021 12:06PM No doubt. But I think the strike would be broken as too -- 133743Hokie 03/18/2021 11:45AM Lol yeah, and that's one of the reasons this needs to get resolved. -- Chris Coleman 
03/18/2021 11:42AM I dont think a strike helps anyone -- GCHokie34 03/18/2021 11:45AM Lol.....🍿🍿 ** -- CrystalCoveHokie 03/18/2021 11:28AM Yes I was, and I'm all for letting them work or sell their image. I had to -- HokieBrazil 03/18/2021 10:13AM Thats what we are talking about here... -- GCHokie34 03/18/2021 10:24AM I agree completely. These kids generate millions of dollars ... -- Hokiestud 03/18/2021 10:03AM And all pf,that money is poured back into the schools athletic programs for -- 133743Hokie 03/18/2021 11:46AM Hell, we spend millions of dollars in coaches and facilities to give them -- VPI63 03/18/2021 11:23AM Doing what? (not being argumentative, just want to hear ideas) -- atlhokie1 03/18/2021 10:10AM Did people know Zion Williamson before Duke? -- GCHokie34 03/18/2021 10:11AM Recruits also use official visits to get social media followers -- kingofcassell 03/18/2021 11:10AM One isolated player isn't enough to say every player on a team should -- atlhokie1 03/18/2021 10:15AM That's not the argument. The argument is that every player on a team -- reestuart 03/18/2021 10:41AM That was 2 players... -- GCHokie34 03/18/2021 10:24AM Many people have thousands of Instagram followers -- Hokey Pokey 03/18/2021 10:28AM Who are the people with 100s of thousands of followers not making money. -- reestuart 03/18/2021 10:55AM Yep. People can get paid just for having that many followers. -- VT94 03/18/2021 11:07AM Exactly. ** -- reestuart 03/18/2021 11:49AM What do you care if people buy stuff or not? Should be the player's right -- NokieHokie 03/18/2021 10:55AM That's insanely false... ** -- GCHokie34 03/18/2021 10:32AM You did start this thread. :) ** -- VT94 03/18/2021 10:14AM GC you are really close to the sport. I'm not . Never heard of him before. ** -- 40ozDistrict 03/18/2021 10:14AM Ive never heard of the worlds best concert pianists... -- GCHokie34 03/18/2021 10:26AM Me either, but I stopped watching the ESPN hype machine long ago. ** -- atlhokie1 03/18/2021 10:18AM They get more than a scholarship -- Hokey Pokey 03/18/2021 09:59AM What is Jalen Cone's child receiving from that? -- GCHokie34 03/18/2021 10:09AM What's his wife/girlfriend/mother of his child contributing? I don't know ** -- 133743Hokie 03/18/2021 11:50AM Using personal decisions as justification is almost a counter-argument -- soflahokie 03/18/2021 10:39AM Extra compensation for a child implies compensation... -- GCHokie34 03/18/2021 10:42AM Absolutely not, if anything we're discouraging him from playing basketball -- soflahokie 03/18/2021 10:51AM If Jalen doesnt play basketball, he doesnt keep his scholarship -- GCHokie34 03/18/2021 10:54AM I understand.... -- 2hhoop3 03/18/2021 11:12AM Exactly, it puts them on the same level as everyone else -- soflahokie 03/18/2021 11:03AM Why should he have to make that choice just because he's an athlete? -- VT94 03/18/2021 11:17AM There are plenty of professional leagues outside the NBA he can go to earn -- Hokey Pokey 03/18/2021 10:18AM At 5'8 no...there isnt ** -- GCHokie34 03/18/2021 10:27AM More reason for him to appreciate what he's been given. ** -- 40ozDistrict 03/18/2021 11:32AM *hard eyeroll* ** -- GCHokie34 03/18/2021 11:36AM If Cone needs a job to pay for his education and family it's called US Army ** -- 40ozDistrict 03/18/2021 10:15AM Since when does a scholarship pay for a child too? this is a horrible take ** -- kingofcassell 03/18/2021 10:14AM It doesnt...thats the point -- GCHokie34 03/18/2021 10:27AM Who is forcing jalen cone to play a game? -- kingofcassell 03/18/2021 10:28AM The whole point is it doesnt need to be an either/or situation -- GCHokie34 03/18/2021 10:39AM Agree with that. they should be able to work a job -- kingofcassell 03/18/2021 10:46AM What are you suggesting they would be paid for then? ** -- GCHokie34 03/18/2021 10:47AM If you pay NIL - the school should certainly get a lions share of that $ -- kingofcassell 03/18/2021 10:58AM Make your argument... -- GCHokie34 03/18/2021 11:06AM Its obvious - they are using the school's clout to get "famous" -- kingofcassell 03/18/2021 11:08AM Is Chet Holmgren famous? -- GCHokie34 03/18/2021 11:14AM @ theprofessor is getting paid for his instagram posts and 3.4M followers -- kingofcassell 03/18/2021 11:16AM You know how many people tried to be the professor -- GCHokie34 03/18/2021 11:20AM Correct. which is why using a school for clout helps -- kingofcassell 03/18/2021 11:22AM Maybe I'm missing the point here... -- VT94 03/18/2021 11:27AM It kills the “romantic” idea that these adults are students competing for -- Femoyer Hokie 03/18/2021 11:39AM The small schools will be hurt by this -- kingofcassell 03/18/2021 11:30AM Re: The small schools will be hurt by this -- VT94 03/18/2021 12:33PM I think playing for a big brand school opens up way more sponsors ** -- kingofcassell 03/18/2021 12:35PM You know how many players have won conference championships for the school -- GCHokie34 03/18/2021 11:26AM Delonte west got paid multi millions and he ended up homeless -- kingofcassell 03/18/2021 11:28AM Delonte West's struggle is a different issue -- GCHokie34 03/18/2021 11:32AM You can help them by saying less than 1% will be a pro -- kingofcassell 03/18/2021 11:36AM Its a lot easier to teach people how to care for money they have... -- GCHokie34 03/18/2021 11:38AM Fair point. -- kingofcassell 03/18/2021 11:41AM Absolutely agree. ** -- Hokie Sunshine 03/18/2021 10:21AM Today's student athlete spends how much more time training than a student -- IB4TECH 03/18/2021 09:53AM Sorry but I'll never be convinced. Just do one of the jobs if it's too much -- 40ozDistrict 03/18/2021 09:37AM Agree. people pay to the see the teams play - not some 5-star prima donnas -- kingofcassell 03/18/2021 09:53AM Who said anything about being worth more than the school? ** -- GCHokie34 03/18/2021 10:12AM How much do you think its going to cost to compensate every athlete ? -- kingofcassell 03/18/2021 10:16AM To the school? Literally zero... -- GCHokie34 03/18/2021 10:17AM All so north carolina hoopers can get some cash for 2 years -- kingofcassell 03/18/2021 10:26AM Every olympic athlete ever says otherwise... ** -- GCHokie34 03/18/2021 10:29AM Now that I agree with. Both school and player benefit if VT wants to sell -- atlhokie1 03/18/2021 10:20AM If that's the angle being taken, then the schools should charge the players -- atlhokie1 03/18/2021 10:03AM Only doing one of the jobs means they would get zero of the scholarship -- GCHokie34 03/18/2021 09:41AM Going to college on scholarship isn't meant to be a ... -- Atlee Hokie 03/18/2021 10:13AM School is not.... -- 2hhoop3 03/18/2021 09:57AM It's a job for a P5 revenue athlete. ** -- NokieHokie 03/18/2021 11:04AM How so,..... -- 2hhoop3 03/18/2021 11:14AM Because they have to go to school to be able to play sports to go to NFL. ** -- NokieHokie 03/18/2021 11:34AM I went to college to get a job and didn't consider it a job. ** -- atlhokie1 03/18/2021 10:02AM Why should a scholarship be expected to "feed their families"? -- atlhokie1 03/18/2021 09:54AM Since when is getting an education in order to get a job, a job? No one is -- 40ozDistrict 03/18/2021 09:48AM When youre being forced to do something... -- GCHokie34 03/18/2021 10:16AM Then the players need to be playing pro ball ... -- Atlee Hokie 03/18/2021 10:19AM Tell that to 5'8 Jalen Cone -- GCHokie34 03/18/2021 10:45AM If he's getting paid a salary, he needs to be in a pro league, -- Atlee Hokie 03/18/2021 12:39PM Seriously, once NIL is approved for VT players, you guys should approach -- Zanderhokie 03/18/2021 11:38AM I just want one of them to film a Ricky Bobby style TSL commercial. -- Chris Coleman
03/18/2021 11:40AM Dax Hollifield could probably do you a great version of that for football! ** -- Zanderhokie 03/18/2021 11:43AM They both copied this post for future reference and money making -- Hokie`79 03/18/2021 10:06AM Power to the people! ** -- NokieHokie 03/18/2021 09:29AMTech Sideline is Presented By:
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