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It's obvious ESPN/SEC/ND want to end the ACC, to get playoff expansion now! -- Stech 01/23/2022 07:00AM
Sports didn't rebuild the south. Air-conditioning did. ** -- BAMRising 01/24/2022 1:25PM Should have said built the colleges up, Southern School rankings keep risin ** -- Stech 01/25/2022 1:19PM True, that's what brought my dad's company down from Connecticut in 1957. -- Old Line Hokie 01/24/2022 7:38PM Truth! ** -- RJHokie 01/24/2022 1:34PM In fact. Pro sports in the South is kinda lame. ** -- Maroon Baboon 01/24/2022 1:28PM Playoff solution -- daveinop 01/24/2022 10:58AM I think the b12/ND would end up in the Alliance playoffs in that scenario. -- Truthahn 01/24/2022 1:01PM If I was the B1G and the Pac12, I'd just go back to playing the Rose Bowl -- Maroon Baboon 01/24/2022 12:59PM Alliance Championship is pretty easy -- mrcaniac 01/24/2022 1:53PM I think that is the B10s primary interest in the Alliance. -- Truthahn 01/24/2022 1:10PM The possibilities with the B1G and PAC growth are numerous. I agree... -- Maroon Baboon 01/24/2022 1:23PM The best solution is contraction -- Victor Tango 01/24/2022 11:45AM Perhaps, but mine is implementable w/o disruption -- daveinop 01/24/2022 12:52PM But the SEC would want both teams in that final championship game ** -- EDGEMAN 01/24/2022 11:19AM So what does Virginia Tech bring to the table? -- LucyGirl 01/23/2022 10:27PM Like it or not, it's mostly about football audience. The $ comes from TV $. -- Stech 01/24/2022 05:52AM I think so many fans get emotion and opinionated on this -- Mercury 01/24/2022 09:23AM Of the Top 20 media markets. Here's how it would break down. -- Maroon Baboon 01/24/2022 7:38PM And this is why ESPN keeps rolling out Finebaum, Staples, et al -- daveinop 01/24/2022 7:35PM FSU has no it factor currently. ** -- MrFantastic! 01/23/2022 10:43PM They played JSU close. ** -- Truthahn 01/24/2022 03:56AM True ** -- MrFantastic! 01/24/2022 05:22AM There are several ways to move forward without killing the ACC -- HokieAl 01/23/2022 1:16PM Agree with G-5 having their own national champion. -- Old Line Hokie 01/23/2022 6:23PM The Schools just voted Thursday to be able to set their own rules, the NCAA -- Stech 01/23/2022 10:24PM My concern is the SEC makes double the ACC, if they want FSU & Clemson, IMO -- Stech 01/23/2022 1:33PM "when enough schools leave". The more schools. Joining SEC the smaller -- wwhokie1 01/24/2022 11:49AM How much does it cost an ACC school to leave? -- Old Line Hokie 01/23/2022 8:00PM Here’s something to read on that….. -- RJHokie 01/23/2022 8:18PM Two things the 2 talking about it are ESPN/SEC guys & who says they stop at -- Stech 01/23/2022 10:12PM I don't care if it happens; and this is all ESPN driven -- daveinop 01/25/2022 08:30AM I’m not sure how many schools would have to leave to render the GOR -- RJHokie 01/23/2022 10:24PM If 8-10 schools did decide to leave the ACC, then could the remaining -- VTHokie2000 01/25/2022 09:34AM I would say one of the legal arguments would be that the value of the -- RJHokie 01/25/2022 09:46AM I agree the value of the replacement members would be lower -- VTHokie2000 01/25/2022 10:12AM The elephant in the room is what does it take to dissolve the conference. -- RJHokie 01/25/2022 10:19AM I believe the answer to that question is that it could vary from conference -- VTHokie2000 01/25/2022 10:41AM I think the minimum number.... -- 2hhoop3 01/23/2022 10:53PM I believe you would need a significant majority of the schools to leave -- RJHokie 01/23/2022 11:11PM While I hear what you are saying..... -- 2hhoop3 01/23/2022 2:40PM I hope the ACC survives, as you know, the behind the scene conversations -- Stech 01/23/2022 3:09PM Going to take ..... -- 2hhoop3 01/23/2022 3:14PM If SEC makes $30m+ more a year than the ACC, that’s 1/2 Billion over 15 yrs -- Stech 01/23/2022 3:47PM I would advise my school..... -- 2hhoop3 01/23/2022 4:00PM We agree on the “if” it happens, and I hope the ACC survives, but as much -- Stech 01/23/2022 4:35PM How many will leave with legit invites? (Legit=B1G or SEC) ** -- Maroon Baboon 01/23/2022 2:36PM I think most if not all the public schools will get invites, in the private -- Stech 01/23/2022 2:46PM If everyone gets an invite but BC and Wake, it will all seem kinda silly. -- Maroon Baboon 01/23/2022 5:06PM All ACC schools won’t be included. ** -- Stech 01/23/2022 5:17PM VT? ** -- MrFantastic! 01/23/2022 6:07PM Definitely, Finebaum told VT to call the SEC in the summer right after -- Stech 01/23/2022 6:44PM If they pay him more than $100/year, he’s overpaid. ** -- RJHokie 01/23/2022 6:48PM Maybe, but the point is that he’s very connected with ESPN & the SEC. -- Stech 01/23/2022 7:09PM Yeah, but he’s like any other talking head. -- RJHokie 01/23/2022 7:12PM The ACC always will have an image and $ issue with most teams having small -- anotherdamnyankeehokie 01/23/2022 12:40PM Good points, the SEC is going to say look at their stage & NIL $ and look -- Stech 01/23/2022 12:44PM I'm not as pessimistic as you... -- Old Line Hokie 01/23/2022 12:18PM I was more optimistic before I heard the SEC was going after FSU & Clemson. -- Stech 01/23/2022 12:32PM VT will be fine. Wake and BC? not so much. ** -- goldendomer 01/23/2022 12:20PM Why don't you think that Wake and BC will be fine? -- VTHokie2000 01/25/2022 8:54PM I agree, the football first schools in the ACC will find a P2 home, if -- Stech 01/23/2022 12:27PM I'll caution again; a P2 needs to make sure it doesn't become AAA baseball -- daveinop 01/23/2022 1:48PM My opinion can acc marginalize nd??? -- Mercury 01/23/2022 10:25AM I don't see how with the contract, plus the ACC would shoot itself in the -- Stech 01/23/2022 11:07AM Yes, they do. ESPN and Swoffy really hurt you. -- goldendomer 01/23/2022 11:38AM You are probably right. And if that's the case, I'd rather do it now than -- Maroon Baboon 01/23/2022 11:52AM I think it is all but done.. The game has changed and the ACC is in a weak -- goldendomer 01/23/2022 11:57AM You are right; but I think the ACC CFP stance hasn't fully sunk in -- daveinop 01/23/2022 09:12AM Exactly, and ESPN wants that exclusive Playoff Contract now, they don’t -- Stech 01/23/2022 09:23AM ESPN..... -- 2hhoop3 01/23/2022 1:01PM Agree, the only way to send it out for bid is no expansion now, the reports -- Stech 01/23/2022 1:26PM Sort of true...there was no broad agreement on how to expand -- daveinop 01/24/2022 10:51AM I am not sure. -- 2hhoop3 01/23/2022 2:02PM Funny open bidding will actually increase rights -- Mercury 01/23/2022 10:52AM Probably so, but ESPN wants the exclusive CFP & they need to expand now to -- Stech 01/23/2022 11:11AM ACC being destroyed could hurt ND down road.... -- MrFantastic! 01/23/2022 08:27AM That has always been the dilemma for both ND and the ACC -- TerryD 01/23/2022 08:36AM I think the "as is" could be impacted by the new governance tenets -- daveinop 01/23/2022 11:18AM I dismiss the alliance because the Big 10 does not need you -- goldendomer 01/23/2022 11:41AM I think in a..... -- 2hhoop3 01/23/2022 2:15PM They don't need the ACC if they want to follow the SEC model. They do -- daveinop 01/23/2022 1:15PM New governing tenets are the biggest hope for the ACC, but if FSU & Clemson -- Stech 01/23/2022 3:50PM You're just biding your time before joining the B1X -- EDGEMAN 01/23/2022 09:38AM I hope not but it seems so ** -- TerryD 01/24/2022 12:03PM I think you may be correct. -- MrFantastic! 01/23/2022 09:09AM British PM Lord Palmerston from 1848: -- Maroon Baboon 01/23/2022 08:27AM Well said, we build temporary allies to achieve our desired outcome -- goldendomer 01/23/2022 10:56AM I think being against the ACC being against CFPX has less to do with ND -- Maroon Baboon 01/23/2022 11:37AM I am not saying it is the only factor, but it is a factor. -- goldendomer 01/23/2022 11:43AM He’s trying to preserve his Conference, but needs to pull a 🐇 out of a 🎩 -- Stech 01/23/2022 11:28AM We're trying to preserve independence, so I guess you understand -- goldendomer 01/23/2022 11:36AM The bottom line is because we couldn't work together we both will lose. -- Stech 01/23/2022 12:02PM That leaves ND not indy but also not in a P2 level conference and...... -- TerryD 01/24/2022 12:02PM Honest question, Is this true even if the P2 ends up paying players? -- RTFC 01/24/2022 10:01PM Both Father Jenkins and Jack Swarbrick have publicly said -- TerryD 01/24/2022 10:28PM So they will go back on their word. "University employees" = booster NIL -- RTFC 01/24/2022 11:23PM The ACC will not be football "at the highest level", neither will any.... -- TerryD 01/25/2022 07:47AM ND has to do this. I have always said ND will not join on a whim -- goldendomer 01/23/2022 12:05PM Don’t want the ACC to fall apart, if enough schools leave, the GOR’s DEAD! -- Stech 01/23/2022 09:34AM And to be clear, I don't care what conference VT is in as long as -- daveinop 01/23/2022 1:30PM I feel the same way, I like the ACC, but most important is being Tier 1. ** -- Stech 01/23/2022 1:35PM They'd have to announce at the same time, otherwise it's Big 12 2.0 ** -- daveinop 01/23/2022 1:19PM I think the SEC will take more than just those two, but they need to get -- Stech 01/23/2022 1:38PM Bingo. Exactly. ND is extremely single minded -- TerryD 01/23/2022 08:50AM This "Give me independence or give me death." stance is just so illogical. -- Hokester 01/23/2022 4:29PM Easy -- TerryD 01/24/2022 12:14PM I am not saying it’s going to happen, but I am very concerned it will, -- Stech 01/23/2022 5:09PM In the end if independence dies than ND should/will chase the largest check -- goldendomer 01/23/2022 5:09PM We get it, but where is Big East football now and where will ACC football -- Stech 01/23/2022 09:43AM Yep, that is the future I see for the ACC -- TerryD 01/23/2022 11:55AM If true, we both lose. ND ends ups 1 vote in the B1G where they control you -- Stech 01/23/2022 12:18PM The ND admin has to do this so the donation pool does not suffer -- goldendomer 01/23/2022 5:12PM Yep, I get the dilemma. ** -- Stech 01/23/2022 5:19PM That seems to be the size of it, yep. ** -- TerryD 01/23/2022 3:10PM I am not usually a fatalist, but the ACC is in trouble and Phillips knows -- goldendomer 01/23/2022 12:19PM Wouldn't surprise me to see PAC schools going 2 the B1G, the $ is 2-3 times -- Stech 01/23/2022 12:25PM That will make it more palatable to ND -- TerryD 01/23/2022 2:48PM Yep, you have LA, San Francisco, Chicago and NYC covered in that B1G. -- Stech 01/23/2022 4:00PM ND wants the ACC to survive for two reasons: -- TerryD 01/23/2022 08:29AM ND doesn't want the ACC to survive that much...lol -- EDGEMAN 01/23/2022 09:55AM If Notre Dame is forced to pick its poison, then which poison do think it -- VTHokie2000 01/23/2022 09:55AM ND will pick Poison 1 in a second with no doubts ** -- TerryD 01/23/2022 11:57AM We will not join the ACC for football. That dream has died.. -- goldendomer 01/24/2022 11:51AM I know that Notre Dame will never join the ACC in football. -- VTHokie2000 01/25/2022 09:13AM The answer is yes, it would -- TerryD 01/26/2022 12:30AM I'm not that surprised by the answer. At the same time that position does -- VTHokie2000 01/26/2022 12:58PM I would not be shocked if ND went D-2 if athletes are made employees -- goldendomer 01/25/2022 09:23AM That would not shock me either -- TerryD 01/26/2022 12:31AM Oddly letting ND play in 2020 was a huge mistake, the schedule you played -- Stech 01/23/2022 11:20AM 2020 turned ND off from conference play even more ** -- TerryD 01/24/2022 11:19AM Dude, that would be a normal schedule for most teams. The ACC -- goldendomer 01/23/2022 11:34AM Dude you are taking my post wrong, my point isn't that ND manipulated the -- Stech 01/23/2022 11:52AM You did not answer my question Miami was not that good last year. -- goldendomer 01/23/2022 11:55AM Miami ended the year ranked 18, not sure what else you are asking. ** -- Stech 01/23/2022 12:05PM I am saying do you believe that Clemson playing a ACC schedule was given -- goldendomer 01/23/2022 12:08PM I agree you were the 2nd best team, but better matchups would have been -- Stech 01/23/2022 12:50PM I buy everything you are saying for the why you are aligned, but the -- Stech 01/23/2022 09:16AM The ACC is in real trouble. That disastrous contract will ensure the -- goldendomer 01/23/2022 10:51AM ESPN clearly doesn’t want to open the contract, the old Southern Conference -- Stech 01/23/2022 11:23AM Even if enough schools decide to leave the ACC at once to where -- VTHokie2000 01/23/2022 09:59AM
