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Here's where I would start when considering who's in & who's out of P4.

First, football attendance:
http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/football_records/Attendance/2016.pdf

Secondarily, I would consider basketball attendance figures found here:
http://fs.ncaa.org/Docs/stats/m_basketball_RB/Reports/attend/2016.pdf

A few key takeaways for the folks on this board to chew on.

Wake and BC suck. Absolute dead weight on this league. They bring nothing to the ACC, and BC even costs us a ton in travel. They average barely over 30K for football and under 10 K in basketball.

Duke is only slightly better, though they could obviously sell more tickets in a bigger arena and they are a big draw on the road. My thoughts are, all things considered, Duke carries it's own weight for the ACC.

West Virginia absolutely deserves to be in the P4. They are in the top 30, which would obviously be upper half of the P65, in BOTH "ALL GAMES ATTENDANCE" for football and basketball.

For all the fuss around here about the B1G being devastating for Maryland, Maryland was number 5 in home basketball attendance and number 4 in ALL GAMES basketball attendance. They were a pretty big draw on the road in the B1G it seems.

This has me second guessing UCONN as an addition to the P4/P65. They had less than 30K for football and only slightly more than 10K for bball. But heck, that's better than 3 or 4 current ACC teams playing current ACC schedules.

Louisville home football attendance was unexpectedly bad. This was their year to sell some tickets and they only had 54K for their home games. Getting over 20K for basketball is pretty impressive though.

Anyhow, you can really see why football is the primary driver of revenue in college sports. Michigan had 883 K people show up to watch football. Kentucky had 397K to watch basketball.

Additionally, notice how the teams with 100K stadiums play 7 home games? Why would they not? That's 10-20 million extra bucks. VT should try to have 7 home games each year too.

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Here's where I would start when considering who's in & who's out of P4. -- chuckd4vt 04/15/2017 10:50AM

FYI, VT has 7 home FB games in 2018, 2020 & 2021 (link) -- Will Stewart

04/17/2017 1:57PM

Good to see lots of Big 10 schools on our future schedules... -- Old Line Hokie 04/17/2017 4:44PM

2018 & 2020 look great. 2019...eeek! ** -- daveinop 04/17/2017 3:32PM

All three years, I see about 2 games worth paying over face value for. -- chuckd4vt 04/17/2017 5:06PM

It starts with playing Duke and BC every year. -- Will Stewart

04/17/2017 5:27PM

Yep. Regular games w/ FSU, Clemson, NC St., and UofL would help. -- chuckd4vt 04/17/2017 5:34PM

I doubt FSU and Clemson want to play us every year -- fordham 04/20/2017 2:22PM

Didn't say every year, but REGULARLY. There's a difference. -- chuckd4vt 04/20/2017 2:35PM

It is regular, we rotate with the atlantic div. every 4 years -- fordham 04/20/2017 3:54PM

We get them in Lane once ever TWELVE YEARS. -- chuckd4vt 04/20/2017 6:36PM

Everybody needs quality games, not sure how you do that -- fordham 04/21/2017 08:58AM

The easiest way to make sure everyone in the conference -- VTHokie2000 04/21/2017 5:45PM

Third.... -- 2hhoop3 04/19/2017 10:12AM

Yeah - need some renegotiations with ODU or Furman -- RJHokie 04/17/2017 3:37PM

Great. Worth millions to both VT and the NRV!!! ** -- chuckd4vt 04/17/2017 2:16PM

I wonder if at some point VT may decide to sprinkle in some -- VTHokie2000 04/17/2017 2:41PM

Not if ACC goes to 9 games. Why I favor 3-5 model or pods. -- chuckd4vt 04/17/2017 2:46PM

One big consideration...ESPN wants more football for the ACCN. To get that -- daveinop 04/18/2017 08:40AM

Such a schedule would actually result in better games for ACC. -- chuckd4vt 04/18/2017 1:24PM

In the years VT has 5 home conference games, why couldn't -- VTHokie2000 04/17/2017 2:47PM

Because we want SOME decent fball. 5 ACC games won't provide that. -- chuckd4vt 04/17/2017 2:55PM

If my memory is correct, Boise State was originally scheduled -- VTHokie2000 04/17/2017 3:11PM

Your memory isn't correct. Boise was announced as FedEx game. -- HWA 04/18/2017 4:56PM

I must have misunderstood what Weaver meant in an interview -- VTHokie2000 04/18/2017 9:31PM

Regarding Louisville, their stadium only seats 55K so 54K is good ** -- BROman Hokie 04/16/2017 10:15PM

This emphasizes why the ACC needs the B12 to stay together -- lawhokie 04/16/2017 9:31PM

The PAC 12 already tried to go to 16 and I don't think that is over...they -- Stech 04/17/2017 1:04PM

Sorry. Fail to see how academics at a school is "diluted" by conf. members. -- chuckd4vt 04/17/2017 12:10AM

Maybe, but check the ACC's home page... -- lawhokie 04/17/2017 10:36PM

If Loserville did not kill the academic pitch, then WV -- RJHokie 04/17/2017 10:39PM

Academics should be a very small consideration in conferences -- Pylons 04/17/2017 1:58PM

Rutgers, Maryland, Texas A&M, Missouri: all AAU -- lawhokie 04/17/2017 10:29PM

Nebraska, Utah, Colorado, 'Miami, Notre Dame, VT, Pitt, Cuse, etc... ** -- chuckd4vt 04/22/2017 01:09AM

Thought Nebraska had lost their AAU status several years ago? -- EDGEMAN 04/17/2017 09:04AM

It did. B1G offered Nebraska knowing it was losing AAU. -- chuckd4vt 04/17/2017 11:20AM

I'm not diluted is the right word, but their recruiting would change (link) -- daveinop 04/17/2017 08:26AM

Such "associations" have little to do w/ sports competitions. -- chuckd4vt 04/17/2017 11:48AM

The CIC (now Big 10 Academic Alliance) -- Pylons 04/17/2017 2:00PM

So, any ACC collaboration is truly worth even less hot air. CLEARLY. ** -- chuckd4vt 04/17/2017 2:18PM

Researchers network with each other all the time. unless it is highlighted -- daveinop 04/17/2017 1:58PM

Man named Marcellus Wallace once had a say'n bout such pride. ** -- chuckd4vt 04/17/2017 3:05PM

Marcellus Wallace ** -- CrystalCoveHokie 04/17/2017 2:25PM

Oh no. Ha! Love that line. How you know Wiley didn't say that too? ** -- chuckd4vt 04/17/2017 2:38PM

WV brings a lot more to the athletic table than UConn. As -- RJHokie 04/16/2017 9:44PM

UConn has 21 NCAA Championships, WVU has 20 (19 Rifle). -- HOO86 04/17/2017 09:22AM

Re: UConn has 21 NCAA Championships, WVU has 20 (19 Rifle). -- Millpoint 04/17/2017 8:14PM

That's fine. I think I do too. -- HOO86 04/17/2017 8:25PM

BC has already gone on record as opposing -- RJHokie 04/17/2017 8:20PM

Six years ago they did. But they've since added long term series. -- HOO86 04/17/2017 8:42PM

A long-term contract for games does not necessarily -- RJHokie 04/17/2017 9:15PM

It doesn't, but it shows recognition of the value of those games. -- HOO86 04/17/2017 9:26PM

I just don't think UConn has the votes to get in. If it comes -- RJHokie 04/17/2017 9:30PM

The ACC shouldn't add another second fiddle in a B1G state. -- HOO86 04/17/2017 9:53PM

Re: The ACC shouldn't add another second fiddle in a B1G state. -- Stech 04/18/2017 12:58PM

Why would that "pressure" ND? -- TerryD 04/19/2017 07:45AM

If it ever comes to that and ND joins the ACC, who is the dance partner? -- daveinop 04/19/2017 3:36PM

It might make ND blink; independence would = 1 football game ** -- daveinop 04/18/2017 5:33PM

I would love to have Navy. -- HOO86 04/18/2017 1:13PM

Their football is just Georgia Tech II, they would do fine and drive some -- Stech 04/18/2017 6:14PM

Re: bball...they could go UVA or VT style -- daveinop 04/19/2017 3:26PM

Yes on all 5 counts ** -- daveinop 04/18/2017 08:45AM

I agree. Cincinnati would not be a good choice from -- RJHokie 04/17/2017 10:01PM

Duplicate** -- HOO86 04/17/2017 8:45PM

WVU brings the most important sport - football -- EDGEMAN 04/17/2017 10:33AM

Re: WVU brings the most important sport - football -- VPIGUY 04/17/2017 4:54PM

And WVU men's basketball is superior to UConn basketball nowadays -- Tailgate Guru 04/17/2017 12:53PM

Re: And WVU men's basketball is superior to UConn basketball nowadays -- Millpoint 04/17/2017 8:24PM

I didn't discount the Rifle Championships. I pointed them out. -- HOO86 04/17/2017 1:36PM

The Director's Cup is nice but not the most important metric -- Tailgate Guru 04/17/2017 5:23PM

All of the WVU sports besides Rifle would fit in the ACC. -- HOO86 04/17/2017 6:48PM

The Director's Cup measures how much a school emphasizes non-revenue sports -- Tailgate Guru 04/17/2017 6:52PM

It's important to a conference putting 27 sports on television. -- HOO86 04/17/2017 7:08PM

No one is going to watch most non-revenue college sports on television -- Tailgate Guru 04/17/2017 8:10PM

You can only get so far with ESPN Classic as well. -- HOO86 04/17/2017 8:52PM

I am sure the school is proud of VT's national championship -- VTHokie2000 04/17/2017 1:07PM

You have to translate that into viewers. -- HOO86 04/17/2017 10:52AM

Like how Cuse and Rutgers bring in all those millions of NYC viewers? -- chuckd4vt 04/17/2017 11:11AM

Check out the SNY website Chuck when you get a chance. -- HOO86 04/17/2017 12:01PM

Problem is, New Yorkers aren't all that into college sports. ** -- chuckd4vt 04/17/2017 12:06PM

They don't have to be. NYC alone has more people than 38 states -- daveinop 04/17/2017 2:12PM

I really don't think 20% care. -- chuckd4vt 04/17/2017 2:40PM

NY state has almost 18 mil more people with median income 40+ % higher -- daveinop 04/19/2017 3:55PM

Fully understand the deomgraphics. NYC had FAR more people than Bama too. -- chuckd4vt 04/19/2017 8:35PM

Is Bama interested in joining the ACC? ** -- daveinop 04/20/2017 07:34AM

Nope, but there's one school that actually has a fanbase that is. -- chuckd4vt 04/20/2017 11:13AM

Did WVU seek membership? ** -- daveinop 04/20/2017 11:37AM

Yes. I recall hearing a quite transparent conf. exp. chat w/ Oliver Luck. -- chuckd4vt 04/20/2017 2:42PM

Luck is a good dude. WV needs leadership like his. ** -- daveinop 04/20/2017 3:17PM

New York Mets channel does feature 1 college with good ratings. ** -- HOO86 04/17/2017 12:38PM

Here's another good article to help clarify. -- HOO86 04/17/2017 12:04PM

So UConn moves the needle in NYC in women's basketball -- VTHokie2000 04/17/2017 12:49PM

The point is UConn moves the needle in NYC. -- HOO86 04/17/2017 1:14PM

UConn football may have moved the needle under Edsall. -- VTHokie2000 04/17/2017 1:30PM

That's why your pair with one of those Florida options. -- HOO86 04/17/2017 1:42PM

While adding those 2 schools would increase the ACC exposure -- VTHokie2000 04/17/2017 1:49PM

It appears that those two are getting talent now. -- HOO86 04/17/2017 1:53PM

I am not sure you can conclude anything (one way or another) just -- VTHokie2000 04/17/2017 2:08PM

I don't think Miami would be concerned about USF recruiting. -- HOO86 04/17/2017 5:55PM

Even if Miami and FSU have the South Florida area locked down -- VTHokie2000 04/17/2017 11:31PM

This Chart helps explain it too. -- HOO86 04/18/2017 12:19PM

Interesting map. When it says DI, then I want to assume it means -- VTHokie2000 04/18/2017 12:31PM

That map means that the ACC sits where the football recruits live. -- HOO86 04/18/2017 12:51PM

It could also suggest that the ACC should (strongly?) consider -- VTHokie2000 04/18/2017 3:26PM

Tulane and South Alabama. -- HOO86 04/18/2017 8:07PM

If the ACC were going to add a member from AL -- VTHokie2000 04/18/2017 9:37PM

Why add any of those schools, do they enhance the acc product any? ** -- Hokie`79 04/18/2017 10:25PM

Possibly. Something conferences may consider is any -- VTHokie2000 04/19/2017 12:59AM

Birmingham is only about 10% bigger than Mobile. ** -- HOO86 04/18/2017 9:41PM

Ah I didn't know that. Thanks. So do you think Raycom -- VTHokie2000 04/18/2017 9:48PM

Why would Raycom Care? -- HOO86 04/19/2017 4:57PM

While Raycom and its parent company has a working relationship -- VTHokie2000 04/19/2017 5:28PM

The ACC should stick with Florida to do something like that. -- HOO86 04/18/2017 11:13AM

It is unlikely that Auburn will ever leave the SEC unless something -- VTHokie2000 04/18/2017 12:20PM

That would be like the SEC taking ODU or ECU. Not going to happen. -- HOO86 04/18/2017 12:28PM

Never say never because 20 years ago the ACC would have -- VTHokie2000 04/18/2017 12:57PM

I loved Jimbo Fisher's comment about satellite camps. -- HOO86 04/18/2017 1:35PM

Did you interpret campus to mean camps? -- VTHokie2000 04/18/2017 3:37PM

If UConn was a television draw, it would be in a P5 conference already -- Tailgate Guru 04/17/2017 12:43PM

Once upon a time, Purdue and Syracuse used to pack their stadiums. -- Calamitous 04/16/2017 3:50PM

It looks like USF and CFU would be the best candidates based on attendance. -- IB4TECH 04/16/2017 5:33PM

Of all the G5s, UConn and UCF are the best ACC options. -- Calamitous 04/16/2017 6:48PM

The ACC really needs to be watching those. -- HOO86 04/16/2017 5:53PM

Academically, USF has the bigger upside. Athletically I'm not so sure. -- Calamitous 04/16/2017 7:13PM

Academically, I'm not convinced anyone really cares -- Pylons 04/17/2017 1:54PM

The ACC specifically includes the faculty representatives in all decisions. -- HOO86 04/17/2017 9:17PM

And that involvement would be part of the lip service -- Pylons 04/18/2017 11:13AM

Since FSU and Miami both would have to sponsor -- HOO86 04/16/2017 7:34PM

Do you think FSU and Miami want to split the P-65 pie more in their state? -- Stech 04/17/2017 12:57PM

It is FSU that complains about lack of nearby conference games. -- HOO86 04/17/2017 1:50PM

F$U, Miami & UF -- EDGEMAN 04/17/2017 1:02PM

FSU did complain that the ACC was too North Carolina centric. -- HOO86 04/17/2017 2:05PM

No way that USF or CFU get into a P5 conf.... -- CrystalCoveHokie 04/16/2017 5:47PM

Re: Here's where I would start when considering who's in & who's out of P4. -- Millpoint 04/15/2017 9:20PM

What caused a 40% increase in basketball attendance at Maryland? -- HOO86 04/15/2017 1:12PM

IDK. Marketing? -- chuckd4vt 04/15/2017 1:55PM

IDK either. I hardly ever see them. -- HOO86 04/15/2017 2:14PM

Well, they were a 6 seed in the Tourney. Went to a bowl too. -- chuckd4vt 04/15/2017 3:28PM

I wouldn't be displaying those performances for any recruits if I was MD. -- HOO86 04/17/2017 10:45AM

"major moves" is a bit over the top ** -- Hamburger 04/16/2017 7:19PM

"major" moves? -- daveinop 04/16/2017 2:50PM

Umm VT pulled the offer on the UMd kid after he said he wouldn't visit... -- Stech 04/16/2017 08:48AM

That # prob not true..... -- SoCloseHokie 04/15/2017 2:45PM

Here's where I would start when considering who's in & who's out of P4.

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