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If you laying there and not doing anything to build to a base to get an escape or reversal, I feel pretty good that I can "tell it" by the actions and movements you make even if not successful. If you go into a turtle position and fail to move, then you aren't working to a base. That is a stall warning.

If you are on the bottom and you are trying things, then I don't call stalling. If you are on the bottom and a guy has double boots in or a very strong cross body ride with a leg in and either a hand on a leg or arm, that's a pretty tough position to be in for a bottom wrestler. I am going to then expect the top wrestler to do something with that or I go stalemate or potentially stalling if they are making token jestures.

In response to this post by Pylons

Posted: 03/11/2019 at 5:42PM

Stalling on bottom -- Pylons 03/11/2019 08:50AM

Totally agree. -- HokieJay 03/11/2019 2:22PM

There are a lot of ways to measure activity on bottom. -- GreenvilleVT 03/12/2019 09:30AM

Very nice explanation. -- AirborneHokie96 03/12/2019 10:47AM

Thanks. I spent a lot of time on bottom in my career. ** -- GreenvilleVT 03/12/2019 11:34AM

I was a top guy myself -- AirborneHokie96 03/12/2019 11:46AM

Watch out for those double legs. ** -- GreenvilleVT 03/12/2019 11:48AM

You have to work to get to a base -- AirborneHokie96 03/11/2019 1:30PM

How do you evaluate "working" -- Pylons 03/11/2019 1:44PM

It's personal opinion and its subjective -- AirborneHokie96 03/11/2019 2:46PM

So you feel you're able to gauge effort? -- Pylons 03/11/2019 5:09PM

Yes and yes -- AirborneHokie96 03/11/2019 5:42PM

Agree - effort and also willing to take risks -- MartyE 03/11/2019 8:04PM

My issue was the 1 sided nature of calls -- Drake7hokie 03/11/2019 11:05AM

So you'd advise a ref how? -- Pylons 03/11/2019 1:07PM

Re: So you'd advise a ref how? -- Drake7hokie 03/11/2019 6:27PM

Take the guesswork out, single boots, legal....double boots illegal. ** -- wasris 03/11/2019 1:11PM

What is "double boots" -- Pylons 03/11/2019 1:15PM

D-boots should be clear for any ref. No penalty, restart in ref. position. ** -- wasris 03/11/2019 1:27PM

So, I'm a ref...tell me how d-boots is clear ** -- Pylons 03/11/2019 1:29PM

Go to YouTube and you'll see. ** -- wasris 03/11/2019 1:43PM

Lol...so you just don't have an answer? -- Pylons 03/11/2019 1:57PM

Try Chris Perry's punishing leg ride!!! ** -- wasris 03/11/2019 2:02PM

Jesse Dong was a really good rider who used to get his boots in -- AirborneHokie96 03/11/2019 2:58PM

Eat at Moe's! ** -- Pylons 03/11/2019 2:03PM

Having two boots should be a stalemate. -- Hokiefan94 03/11/2019 10:00AM

I normally give a guy 10-14 seconds to work something with double boots -- AirborneHokie96 03/11/2019 1:32PM

2 questions -- Pylons 03/11/2019 2:06PM

Here is an example -- AirborneHokie96 03/11/2019 2:40PM

Re: Here is an example -- Drake7hokie 03/11/2019 6:38PM

I agree BUT to many referees allow a much longer ride. Question... -- wasris 03/11/2019 1:45PM

You don't see it as much from a losing wrestler -- AirborneHokie96 03/11/2019 2:36PM

So top guy puts -- Pylons 03/11/2019 10:08AM

You get so many seconds to advance -- OrangeHokieFan 03/11/2019 10:45AM

You answered a question not asked ** -- Pylons 03/11/2019 12:43PM

2 boots in -- Hokiefan94 03/11/2019 10:24AM

I'll return to #1 -- Pylons 03/11/2019 10:30AM

So in this position -- Hokiefan94 03/11/2019 10:49AM

So "2 boots in" -- Pylons 03/11/2019 12:49PM

Yes, belly is elevated also. Think of both legs of the top wrestler -- wasris 03/11/2019 1:09PM

2 boots is a riding/stalling move. Either advancing, not likely. Restart!! -- wasris 03/11/2019 10:12AM

It is up to the referee but I usually give the wrestlers 10-15 seconds -- AirborneHokie96 03/11/2019 1:33PM

And that's getting more to the question -- Pylons 03/11/2019 10:22AM

Restart -- AirborneHokie96 03/11/2019 3:00PM

I agree. Saw several times a guy was broken down and had an arm trapped -- OrangeHokieFan 03/11/2019 09:02AM

Mat wrestling needs to change to keep the sport exciting -- emhokie 03/11/2019 09:17AM

It's why freestyle and Greco are so much fun to officiate and watch -- AirborneHokie96 03/11/2019 1:33PM

Me too. True stalling is situational and requires context. -- Hokie Flyer 03/11/2019 09:10AM

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