Right, the Jet and Dolphins win more against the Pats, imagine if they

were good franchises and won more against other teams too? They aren't though, they've been pitiful franchises for over a decade.

I think you are missing my point here. The other teams in the Pats division can't win enough games outside of playing the Patriots to be remotely relevant. The Steelers, Ravens and Bengals have done that numerous times over the past decade to be in the playoffs. You don't have to beat a single team in your division twice to make the playoffs. However, you do have to win at least 10 games in a season (generally). The Bills haven't done that since '99, and the Dolphins and the Jets have done it 5 times each since 2000.

For reference, the NFC North teams have had this many 10 win seasons since 2000:
Baltimore: 10
Pittsburgh: 12
Cincinnati: 6
Cleveland: 1

Edit: I also see where I was confusing by saying if the Pats had to play the Ravens and Steelers. That's my fault. I meant if they had to be in the same division with those guys.
[Post edited by hoosnowahokie at 09/17/2019 09:05AM]

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Posted: 09/17/2019 at 09:04AM

The Jets are a horrible football team, NE has it too easy w/ Miami as well ** -- Technocrat 09/16/2019 10:45PM

There's a reason they've win so many divisions in a row -- hoosnowahokie 09/16/2019 10:55PM

Yeah, it’s because they’re way better than anyone else in the NFL. -- reestuart 09/16/2019 11:09PM

If they had to play the Steelers and Ravens every year instead of the -- hoosnowahokie 09/17/2019 07:46AM

Or the Bengals and Browns. Right? They're 8-3 vs the Ravens and -- reestuart 09/17/2019 08:00AM

That's how you own an internet sports argument. Good work. ** -- BG Hokie 09/17/2019 11:46AM

It's a function of what playing home-and-home against those will do to a -- 133743Hokie 09/17/2019 10:21AM

Why 4 games during the season? The only competition for the AFC North has -- reestuart 09/17/2019 10:58AM

Stop with the facts. It’s not nice. ** -- VT Pops 09/17/2019 08:13AM

I'm not a Pats fan, and I understand not liking them. But to try and take -- reestuart 09/17/2019 08:17AM

I didn't say they weren't good. I'm saying their opponents have been -- hoosnowahokie 09/17/2019 08:41AM

He just proved, in this very thread, that theory of yours wrong. I would -- BG Hokie 09/17/2019 11:47AM

But there's not proof for that point. The Steelers have had it just -- reestuart 09/17/2019 08:49AM

Right, the Jet and Dolphins win more against the Pats, imagine if they -- hoosnowahokie 09/17/2019 09:04AM

Conversely, how would the Ravens and Steelers do in a div with the Pats? -- reestuart 09/17/2019 09:23AM

FTR, the Bengals & Browns are 10 games worse than the two worst AFC east -- reestuart 09/17/2019 10:52AM

No eventually the air will deflate on the patriots. ** -- GreenvilleVT 09/17/2019 08:26AM

I think VT Pops was agreeing with you. ** -- HokieForever 09/17/2019 08:18AM

Oh, I know. I was just commenting on the subject overall. ** -- reestuart 09/17/2019 08:21AM

A full quarter of the Pats games are gimmes. ** -- CPRVHokie 09/17/2019 07:49AM

Not their fault those franchises stink -- HokieForever 09/17/2019 08:17AM

The Pats are great. They have some advantages that are OK to acknowledge ** -- CPRVHokie 09/17/2019 09:00AM

Right, the Jet and Dolphins win more against the Pats, imagine if they

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