I thought this was good article from a Northerner living in the South. -- HokieEngineer 08/16/2017 12:03PM
The problem I have with statue removal is the slippery slope down which it -- Hokie CPA 08/16/2017 09:39AM
You realize people can draw lines and make distinctions? -- Manbearpig 08/16/2017 11:28AM
Those "guys who rebelled" are United States Veterans. -- Hokie CPA 08/16/2017 11:43AM
No, they betrayed our country to preserve slavery in their home states -- Manbearpig 08/16/2017 11:48AM
Even the ones who NEVER served in the US Army are US vets. -- Hokie CPA 08/16/2017 12:36PM
Doesn't change a single thing they did. ** -- reestuart 08/16/2017 1:02PM
Such as fighting to repel an invading army from their home. -- Hokie CPA 08/16/2017 1:12PM
According to this link, that's not exactly true... -- reestuart 08/16/2017 1:53PM
The problem I have with any change, is that anarchy is the logical endpoint ** -- Beerman 08/16/2017 10:18AM
Ah, the old slippery slope logical fallacy... -- BB Hokie 08/16/2017 09:58AM
I can see the argument for taking down the Lee statue. After all, he -- HokieEngineer 08/16/2017 10:16AM
Except for the fact that secession is consitutional -- WestEndHokie39 08/16/2017 10:23AM
Madison felt that the states could not leave the union (without the consent -- HokieEngineer 08/16/2017 10:30AM
True- but the mechanism for secession was never devised -- WestEndHokie39 08/16/2017 10:52AM
Not even a majority. ** -- CPRVHokie 08/16/2017 11:14AM
Except I'm not sure a lot of the northern states wouldn't have vote to let -- Hokie CPA 08/16/2017 11:22AM
Interesting hypothetical. And completely irrelevant. ** -- CPRVHokie 08/16/2017 11:23AM
Moot point- but what I think is the biggest tragedy -- WestEndHokie39 08/16/2017 11:19AM
Can you imagine if the country faced an issue like that today? -- CPRVHokie 08/16/2017 11:23AM
Kali is trying to secede currently ** -- fordham 08/16/2017 12:29PM
No it isn't ** -- CPRVHokie 08/16/2017 1:11PM
They are working to get a ballot initiative, everything in kali -- fordham 08/16/2017 2:55PM
I would hardly describe that as "Cali is trying to secede" -- CPRVHokie 08/16/2017 2:59PM
And that position has been supported many times, right up through Scalia -- MAHokie69 08/16/2017 10:44AM
Except proof IS presented. -- Hokie CPA 08/16/2017 10:16AM
Sounds like the playbook of every politician. ** -- HokieSignGuy 08/16/2017 10:01AM
You are building up a boogy man that doesn't exist -- VTSnake 08/16/2017 09:51AM
Let me put it this way- give me the name of one leader from -- WestEndHokie39 08/16/2017 10:14AM
Name one person on the left you would vote for? ** -- Manbearpig 08/16/2017 10:46AM
I can't think of anybody...Bernie has some good policies -- WestEndHokie39 08/16/2017 10:54AM
Exactly, you wouldn't vote for anyone -- Manbearpig 08/16/2017 11:00AM
Because they are captive of the fringe left- thanks for -- WestEndHokie39 08/16/2017 11:10AM
That's a silly conclusion to jump to -- Manbearpig 08/16/2017 11:15AM
I voted for Doug Wilder, and if the left had someone with the -- WestEndHokie39 08/16/2017 11:21AM
Hillary Clinton ** -- CPRVHokie 08/16/2017 11:26AM
National joke day. ** -- RTFC 08/16/2017 11:34AM
Hah. She has a ton of flaws that made it impossible to vote for her, but -- CPRVHokie 08/16/2017 11:40AM
I think you missed WestEnd's request for integrity to be a part of it. -- vthokieq 08/16/2017 11:58AM
Corrupt part is what -- RTFC 08/16/2017 11:43AM
You already said you would vote for none of them -- Manbearpig 08/16/2017 11:24AM
You are a very thoughtful poster, but you love to twist words -- WestEndHokie39 08/16/2017 11:29AM
Kaine and Warner have and will vote for them ** -- CPRVHokie 08/16/2017 10:57AM
Kaine? No way...maybe Warner- those his performance -- WestEndHokie39 08/16/2017 11:11AM
Despicable? C'mon man. It's language like that which escalates the rhetoric -- CPRVHokie 08/16/2017 11:13AM
Ok, it was deploarable ** -- RTFC 08/16/2017 11:40AM
I didn't vote for Trump, but I would vote for him over Kaine -- WestEndHokie39 08/16/2017 11:20AM
I wouldn't say it doesn't exist -- I'd say it's not as prevelant -- Nova Hokie 95 08/16/2017 10:02AM
Well said.. I agree completely..the lunatic fringe seeks to limit -> -- HOKIERIT 08/16/2017 10:12AM
I really don't think I am. Do you REALLY think it stops at Confederates? -- Hokie CPA 08/16/2017 10:01AM
Great post ** -- WestEndHokie39 08/16/2017 09:45AM
Second that ** -- fordham 08/16/2017 09:49AM
Am I alone in not remotely caring about this issue on any level? -- HokieNoVA 08/16/2017 09:39AM
Actually 3 deaths. Anyway, hard to answer your question. I try -- HokieNLot11 08/16/2017 09:59AM
No, 1 death... -- HokieNoVA 08/16/2017 10:11AM
You are right but I think of their families and what they are -- HokieNLot11 08/16/2017 11:41AM
Weren't they just leaving the actual protest location? -- 48zip 08/16/2017 12:51PM
Agree. And they were following the governor when this happened. -- 48zip 08/16/2017 10:16AM
Yup. I was astonished the police just let the groups mingle and -- HokieSignGuy 08/16/2017 10:08AM
Actually, Lee opposed slavery, FWIW -- WestyHokie 08/16/2017 09:26AM
Hmmm, reading this and saying he 'opposed' slavery . . . -- MidloHokie 08/16/2017 10:31AM
I'm not worried about statue removal changing history. It wont. -- HokieSignGuy 08/16/2017 09:05AM
This notiont that it strengthens racists is absurd -- Manbearpig 08/16/2017 09:22AM
I do think the removals give the KKK and Fascists a recruiting -- HokieNLot11 08/16/2017 10:02AM
That's the precise argument the left uses about fighting terrorism ** -- CPRVHokie 08/16/2017 11:29AM
It doesn't make racists - it does give them something to rally around. -- RTFC 08/16/2017 09:54AM
It most certainly will impact them... they are feeling underattack from -- HokieSignGuy 08/16/2017 09:26AM
Removing the statues will change nothing -- WestEndHokie39 08/16/2017 09:15AM
BTW, fascists are not communists. -- Guy LeDouche 08/16/2017 09:41AM
Maybe in philosophy but not in the end result of death, misery -- WestEndHokie39 08/16/2017 09:44AM
"Imagined societal ills". - LOL ** -- CPRVHokie 08/16/2017 09:17AM
One doesn't have to be a white anything to want to keep the statues. -- 48zip 08/16/2017 09:13AM
Wow, I just got serious dejavu reading this... did we have this same exact -- HokieSignGuy 08/16/2017 09:23AM
Ha. No idea. ** -- 48zip 08/16/2017 09:31AM
For the last time 48, he's NOT beating those children, ok? ** -- hoosnowahokie 08/16/2017 09:15AM
Looks like a trophy for "Keep Away" (pic inside) -- 48zip 08/16/2017 09:17AM
A couple of thoughts re: the timing. -- 48zip 08/16/2017 08:53AM
More info on timing... -- BB Hokie 08/16/2017 09:18AM
Thanks. interesting. But, as i understand.... -- 48zip 08/16/2017 09:30AM
1896 was a significant turning point -- MAHokie69 08/16/2017 09:57AM
Makes it sound like the Confederates were less of an impact than Plessy. -- 48zip 08/16/2017 10:21AM
I'm wondering if other factors, such as the 50th anniversary, -- HokieSignGuy 08/16/2017 09:34AM
Also possible that the economy was turning for the worse -- reestuart 08/16/2017 09:40AM
I have very mixed feelings about it ... -- vt90 08/16/2017 08:44AM
Hundreds of millions of dollars to pull down some monuments? Are you using -- CPRVHokie 08/16/2017 09:07AM
It cost over two million to remove four monuments in New Orleans. ** -- DHokie 08/16/2017 10:27AM
It isn't just statues. Where will it end? -- vt90 08/16/2017 09:37AM
You know I love you but that is a completely unconvincing argument ** -- CPRVHokie 08/16/2017 11:08AM
Lol. I know. some fat guy with a ladder and tow strap did it yesterday. -- HokieSignGuy 08/16/2017 09:13AM
That was a female albeit tough to tell...arrested yesterday. ** -- Hockey Dad 08/16/2017 09:27AM
That was a small statue- nothing on the order of what's on -- WestEndHokie39 08/16/2017 09:16AM
True... I fear for the Stonewall Jackson Statue in Manassas Battlefield -- HokieSignGuy 08/16/2017 09:21AM
Doesn't Richmond have a commission trying to figure out what to do with MA? -- CPRVHokie 08/16/2017 09:20AM
Here's how the commission is being framed right now -- WestEndHokie39 08/16/2017 09:31AM
They were directed by the mayor to NOT consider removal. -- 48zip 08/16/2017 09:34AM
True- but he also said that if during the public comment sessions -- WestEndHokie39 08/16/2017 09:42AM
I haven't heard him sound biased, but I may be wrong. -- 48zip 08/16/2017 09:44AM
Brother lives in city and is fairly confident the city will handle calmly ** -- CPRVHokie 08/16/2017 11:07AM
I get that sense, too. ** -- 48zip 08/16/2017 12:49PM
Best thing they can do is not make a decision right now. ** -- HokieSignGuy 08/16/2017 11:09AM
All seems pretty subjective to this 'southern boy' -- Bburg Native 08/16/2017 08:44AM
What about the men drafted to fight for the South? (more) -- Mama Goose 08/16/2017 10:26AM
Though I disagree with some of your arguments, they're reasonable. -- CPRVHokie 08/16/2017 09:04AM
The problem is nowadays sane, rational people aren't heard. -- vthokieq 08/16/2017 09:54AM
Agreed. That phenomenon has always existed but it's at a high ebb right now -- CPRVHokie 08/16/2017 11:11AM
Like him or not, as long as Trump is in, nobody will be rational. -- HokieSignGuy 08/16/2017 1:03PM
I wish I shared that confidence. ** -- vthokieq 08/16/2017 11:17AM
Might just be hope. I have faith in this stupid country, I guess ** -- CPRVHokie 08/16/2017 11:19AM
Well said Midlo although there may be some very fine people who disagree. ** -- Cal Naughton Jr 08/16/2017 08:44AM
Thanks . . . believe me I have very mixed feelings too . . -- MidloHokie 08/16/2017 09:00AM