No question ND needed ACC, but I think ACC kinda needed ND also.

However, I'm quite sure Swofford left "money" on the table in his deal with ND at the time. ND, at that time, absolutely needed the home ACC provided for all of ND's non football sports.

They really had no where else to go. I'm not sure the Big Ten would have taken ND, even with football at that point. Big 12 wasn't an option for ND. And AAC/Big East wasn't a suitable place for ND's other sports.

I think Swofford could have and should have held out for all sports from ND.

A Notre Dame guy that posts over on the Conference Alignment Board has said the same thing. He believes ND paid a pretty cheap price for admittance. In other words, Swofford could have gotten a lot more concessions from ND than he did.

Now however, there is only one thing that would push ND to full membership. Only if the rules were changed on who can get in the playoffs. For example, only conference champions are eligible. That would force all independents into conferences.

In response to this post by crabcake77

Posted: 05/22/2017 at 11:17AM

Oh Greg Roberts said it best. -- SoCloseHokie 05/16/2017 07:50AM

ND is an independent in football..... -- arcadtect 05/18/2017 02:20AM

Yes, and some years when we play six games we're -- goldendomer 05/18/2017 06:44AM

I'd love to have Texas and to forget about Notre Dame -- lawhokie 05/16/2017 3:06PM

Exactly, pandering to ND is the last thing the ACC should be doing. -- crabcake77 05/17/2017 08:57AM

Don't get to excited. Texas believes they should be pandered to also. -- Atlee Hokie 05/20/2017 11:48PM

I'm not excited about Texas, just expressing the idea that -- crabcake77 05/22/2017 09:31AM

No question ND needed ACC, but I think ACC kinda needed ND also. -- Atlee Hokie 05/22/2017 11:17AM

Which is what the ACC should be pushing for (conf champs only). ** -- crabcake77 05/22/2017 11:24AM

And I'd still leave one playoff spot for the highest ranked G5 conf champ. ** -- Atlee Hokie 05/22/2017 11:40AM

We'll agree to disagree on that. ** -- crabcake77 05/22/2017 11:44AM

It's not ideal, but I think it would be necessary to keep lawmakers away. -- Atlee Hokie 05/22/2017 2:20PM

They're paying the G5 hush money now. -- crabcake77 05/22/2017 4:24PM

16 team conference is too big, ND can stay independent. -- wwhokie1 05/16/2017 10:48AM

Re: 16 team conference is too big, ND can stay independent. -- 134024Hokie 05/16/2017 8:21PM

In 2012 ND played 4 ACC teams. -- Maroon Baboon 05/16/2017 08:33AM

Re: In 2012 ND played 4 ACC teams. -- SoCloseHokie 05/16/2017 08:40AM

I like this response on one of my boards, they're preparing for war -- goldendomer 05/16/2017 08:13AM

Love the ACC logo with the map, but hasn't been used in a while. -- HOO86 05/16/2017 10:53AM

Those fans are 80 and over. Most are long gone. -- Old Line Hokie 05/16/2017 3:06PM

"Jenkins lusts for full communion". LOL. Too much. -- Maroon Baboon 05/16/2017 09:17AM

Re: I like this response on one of my boards, they're preparing for war -- SoCloseHokie 05/16/2017 08:21AM

We're not independent really. Hard to argue that we -- goldendomer 05/16/2017 08:00AM

Re: We're not independent really. Hard to argue that we -- SoCloseHokie 05/16/2017 08:13AM

No question ND needed ACC, but I think ACC kinda needed ND also.

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