and the states that did not have a quick upturn and very gradual rise are still seeing cases?

hmmmm..... So if you are saying a state that got alot cases and alot of deaths (NY) and now does not have as many as the people that are most susceptible already either had it or are dead, are doing better and the states that the hospitals were never even stressed in are still having cases

yes the masks may make a tiny difference but usage is very different across the states and the ones being used do very little to protect the wearer or stop others from being infected, note I do wear a tube bandana out in public but it only makes others feel good, it does little to protect me or to protect others