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It's obvious ESPN/SEC/ND want to end the ACC, to get playoff expansion now!

ESPN, so that can get a monopoly on the College Football Playoff broadcasting rights. That's why you have two SEC mouthpieces Paul Finebaum and Andy Staples throwing bombs out about how Florida State, Clemson and Notre Dame need to leave the SEC. (Finebaum tried it with Virginia Tech in the summer and it didn't work, but FSU & Clemson are worried about falling so far behind in money for sports. In many ways Sports rebuilt the south, it's done more for integration than anything I can think of and it is simply a priority)

SEC, so that they can create a monopoly on College Football, especially if ESPN gets a monopoly on the College Football Playoff. They know from experience that ESPN will hype them over every other conference. They have been doing it for a decade or two without the CBS game. Now they have gotten rid of that, and there is nothing holding them back. However, if ESPN has to split the College Football playoff like the NFL, that will be weakened considerably. Especially if the B1G sticks with Fox.

ND administration from what I have heard wanted to join the ACC. However, their donors will not let them join without huge financial consequences. They tried the Semi-Independence and even joined the ACC in 2020, but the feedback from their donors was a "no go." So they are no longer aligned with the ACC, just like Finebaum and Staples have said/implied, ND is more aligned with the SEC than the ACC. We all know that now.. There is no reason to believe other wise, ND's silence in not supporting the ACC in public says it all.

That leaves us with the ACC and the question of whether FSU and Clemson would leave. You say they can't leave without the GOR. Sure they can, because if they leave, they aren't leaving alone. Virginia Tech when the Big East imploded came up with the idea of signing a contract that all would stay. Miami, BC and Syracuse refused to sign. From that point on, any school that received a Power 5 offer took it. Survival is still our most primal instinct and if FSU and Clemson leave, others will be offered too and history shows that they will take it.

PS Tell me what I am missing? Because I don't want to be right, as I really like ACC basketball, even when we lose by not being able to make shots in the last about 5 minutes of the game :-) I find it great winter entertainment. Because like SEC football, there is so much passion and great rivalries in all of the games. (In other words, we didn't screw up the scheduling like we did in football)

[Post edited by Stech at 01/23/2022 07:00AM]

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It's obvious ESPN/SEC/ND want to end the ACC, to get playoff expansion now! -- Stech 01/23/2022 07:00AM

Sports didn't rebuild the south. Air-conditioning did. ** -- BAMRising 01/24/2022 1:25PM

Should have said built the colleges up, Southern School rankings keep risin ** -- Stech 01/25/2022 1:19PM

True, that's what brought my dad's company down from Connecticut in 1957. -- Old Line Hokie 01/24/2022 7:38PM

Truth! ** -- RJHokie 01/24/2022 1:34PM

In fact. Pro sports in the South is kinda lame. ** -- Maroon Baboon 01/24/2022 1:28PM

Playoff solution -- daveinop 01/24/2022 10:58AM

I think the b12/ND would end up in the Alliance playoffs in that scenario. -- Truthahn 01/24/2022 1:01PM

If I was the B1G and the Pac12, I'd just go back to playing the Rose Bowl -- Maroon Baboon 01/24/2022 12:59PM

Alliance Championship is pretty easy -- mrcaniac 01/24/2022 1:53PM

I think that is the B10s primary interest in the Alliance. -- Truthahn 01/24/2022 1:10PM

The possibilities with the B1G and PAC growth are numerous. I agree... -- Maroon Baboon 01/24/2022 1:23PM

The best solution is contraction -- Victor Tango 01/24/2022 11:45AM

Perhaps, but mine is implementable w/o disruption -- daveinop 01/24/2022 12:52PM

But the SEC would want both teams in that final championship game ** -- EDGEMAN 01/24/2022 11:19AM

So what does Virginia Tech bring to the table? -- LucyGirl 01/23/2022 10:27PM

Like it or not, it's mostly about football audience. The $ comes from TV $. -- Stech 01/24/2022 05:52AM

I think so many fans get emotion and opinionated on this -- Mercury 01/24/2022 09:23AM

Of the Top 20 media markets. Here's how it would break down. -- Maroon Baboon 01/24/2022 7:38PM

And this is why ESPN keeps rolling out Finebaum, Staples, et al -- daveinop 01/24/2022 7:35PM

FSU has no it factor currently. ** -- MrFantastic! 01/23/2022 10:43PM

They played JSU close. ** -- Truthahn 01/24/2022 03:56AM

True ** -- MrFantastic! 01/24/2022 05:22AM

There are several ways to move forward without killing the ACC -- HokieAl 01/23/2022 1:16PM

Agree with G-5 having their own national champion. -- Old Line Hokie 01/23/2022 6:23PM

The Schools just voted Thursday to be able to set their own rules, the NCAA -- Stech 01/23/2022 10:24PM

My concern is the SEC makes double the ACC, if they want FSU & Clemson, IMO -- Stech 01/23/2022 1:33PM

"when enough schools leave". The more schools. Joining SEC the smaller -- wwhokie1 01/24/2022 11:49AM

How much does it cost an ACC school to leave? -- Old Line Hokie 01/23/2022 8:00PM

Here’s something to read on that….. -- RJHokie 01/23/2022 8:18PM

Two things the 2 talking about it are ESPN/SEC guys & who says they stop at -- Stech 01/23/2022 10:12PM

I don't care if it happens; and this is all ESPN driven -- daveinop 01/25/2022 08:30AM

I’m not sure how many schools would have to leave to render the GOR -- RJHokie 01/23/2022 10:24PM

If 8-10 schools did decide to leave the ACC, then could the remaining -- VTHokie2000 01/25/2022 09:34AM

I would say one of the legal arguments would be that the value of the -- RJHokie 01/25/2022 09:46AM

I agree the value of the replacement members would be lower -- VTHokie2000 01/25/2022 10:12AM

The elephant in the room is what does it take to dissolve the conference. -- RJHokie 01/25/2022 10:19AM

I believe the answer to that question is that it could vary from conference -- VTHokie2000 01/25/2022 10:41AM

I think the minimum number.... -- 2hhoop3 01/23/2022 10:53PM

I believe you would need a significant majority of the schools to leave -- RJHokie 01/23/2022 11:11PM

While I hear what you are saying..... -- 2hhoop3 01/23/2022 2:40PM

I hope the ACC survives, as you know, the behind the scene conversations -- Stech 01/23/2022 3:09PM

Going to take ..... -- 2hhoop3 01/23/2022 3:14PM

If SEC makes $30m+ more a year than the ACC, that’s 1/2 Billion over 15 yrs -- Stech 01/23/2022 3:47PM

I would advise my school..... -- 2hhoop3 01/23/2022 4:00PM

We agree on the “if” it happens, and I hope the ACC survives, but as much -- Stech 01/23/2022 4:35PM

How many will leave with legit invites? (Legit=B1G or SEC) ** -- Maroon Baboon 01/23/2022 2:36PM

I think most if not all the public schools will get invites, in the private -- Stech 01/23/2022 2:46PM

If everyone gets an invite but BC and Wake, it will all seem kinda silly. -- Maroon Baboon 01/23/2022 5:06PM

All ACC schools won’t be included. ** -- Stech 01/23/2022 5:17PM

VT? ** -- MrFantastic! 01/23/2022 6:07PM

Definitely, Finebaum told VT to call the SEC in the summer right after -- Stech 01/23/2022 6:44PM

If they pay him more than $100/year, he’s overpaid. ** -- RJHokie 01/23/2022 6:48PM

Maybe, but the point is that he’s very connected with ESPN & the SEC. -- Stech 01/23/2022 7:09PM

Yeah, but he’s like any other talking head. -- RJHokie 01/23/2022 7:12PM

The ACC always will have an image and $ issue with most teams having small -- anotherdamnyankeehokie 01/23/2022 12:40PM

Good points, the SEC is going to say look at their stage & NIL $ and look -- Stech 01/23/2022 12:44PM

I'm not as pessimistic as you... -- Old Line Hokie 01/23/2022 12:18PM

I was more optimistic before I heard the SEC was going after FSU & Clemson. -- Stech 01/23/2022 12:32PM

VT will be fine. Wake and BC? not so much. ** -- goldendomer 01/23/2022 12:20PM

Why don't you think that Wake and BC will be fine? -- VTHokie2000 01/25/2022 8:54PM

I agree, the football first schools in the ACC will find a P2 home, if -- Stech 01/23/2022 12:27PM

I'll caution again; a P2 needs to make sure it doesn't become AAA baseball -- daveinop 01/23/2022 1:48PM

My opinion can acc marginalize nd??? -- Mercury 01/23/2022 10:25AM

I don't see how with the contract, plus the ACC would shoot itself in the -- Stech 01/23/2022 11:07AM

Yes, they do. ESPN and Swoffy really hurt you. -- goldendomer 01/23/2022 11:38AM

You are probably right. And if that's the case, I'd rather do it now than -- Maroon Baboon 01/23/2022 11:52AM

I think it is all but done.. The game has changed and the ACC is in a weak -- goldendomer 01/23/2022 11:57AM

You are right; but I think the ACC CFP stance hasn't fully sunk in -- daveinop 01/23/2022 09:12AM

Exactly, and ESPN wants that exclusive Playoff Contract now, they don’t -- Stech 01/23/2022 09:23AM

ESPN..... -- 2hhoop3 01/23/2022 1:01PM

Agree, the only way to send it out for bid is no expansion now, the reports -- Stech 01/23/2022 1:26PM

Sort of true...there was no broad agreement on how to expand -- daveinop 01/24/2022 10:51AM

I am not sure. -- 2hhoop3 01/23/2022 2:02PM

Funny open bidding will actually increase rights -- Mercury 01/23/2022 10:52AM

Probably so, but ESPN wants the exclusive CFP & they need to expand now to -- Stech 01/23/2022 11:11AM

ACC being destroyed could hurt ND down road.... -- MrFantastic! 01/23/2022 08:27AM

That has always been the dilemma for both ND and the ACC -- TerryD 01/23/2022 08:36AM

I think the "as is" could be impacted by the new governance tenets -- daveinop 01/23/2022 11:18AM

I dismiss the alliance because the Big 10 does not need you -- goldendomer 01/23/2022 11:41AM

I think in a..... -- 2hhoop3 01/23/2022 2:15PM

They don't need the ACC if they want to follow the SEC model. They do -- daveinop 01/23/2022 1:15PM

New governing tenets are the biggest hope for the ACC, but if FSU & Clemson -- Stech 01/23/2022 3:50PM

You're just biding your time before joining the B1X -- EDGEMAN 01/23/2022 09:38AM

I hope not but it seems so ** -- TerryD 01/24/2022 12:03PM

I think you may be correct. -- MrFantastic! 01/23/2022 09:09AM

British PM Lord Palmerston from 1848: -- Maroon Baboon 01/23/2022 08:27AM

Well said, we build temporary allies to achieve our desired outcome -- goldendomer 01/23/2022 10:56AM

I think being against the ACC being against CFPX has less to do with ND -- Maroon Baboon 01/23/2022 11:37AM

I am not saying it is the only factor, but it is a factor. -- goldendomer 01/23/2022 11:43AM

He’s trying to preserve his Conference, but needs to pull a 🐇 out of a 🎩 -- Stech 01/23/2022 11:28AM

We're trying to preserve independence, so I guess you understand -- goldendomer 01/23/2022 11:36AM

The bottom line is because we couldn't work together we both will lose. -- Stech 01/23/2022 12:02PM

That leaves ND not indy but also not in a P2 level conference and...... -- TerryD 01/24/2022 12:02PM

Honest question, Is this true even if the P2 ends up paying players? -- RTFC 01/24/2022 10:01PM

Both Father Jenkins and Jack Swarbrick have publicly said -- TerryD 01/24/2022 10:28PM

So they will go back on their word. "University employees" = booster NIL -- RTFC 01/24/2022 11:23PM

The ACC will not be football "at the highest level", neither will any.... -- TerryD 01/25/2022 07:47AM

ND has to do this. I have always said ND will not join on a whim -- goldendomer 01/23/2022 12:05PM

Don’t want the ACC to fall apart, if enough schools leave, the GOR’s DEAD! -- Stech 01/23/2022 09:34AM

And to be clear, I don't care what conference VT is in as long as -- daveinop 01/23/2022 1:30PM

I feel the same way, I like the ACC, but most important is being Tier 1. ** -- Stech 01/23/2022 1:35PM

They'd have to announce at the same time, otherwise it's Big 12 2.0 ** -- daveinop 01/23/2022 1:19PM

I think the SEC will take more than just those two, but they need to get -- Stech 01/23/2022 1:38PM

Bingo. Exactly. ND is extremely single minded -- TerryD 01/23/2022 08:50AM

This "Give me independence or give me death." stance is just so illogical. -- Hokester 01/23/2022 4:29PM

Easy -- TerryD 01/24/2022 12:14PM

I am not saying it’s going to happen, but I am very concerned it will, -- Stech 01/23/2022 5:09PM

In the end if independence dies than ND should/will chase the largest check -- goldendomer 01/23/2022 5:09PM

We get it, but where is Big East football now and where will ACC football -- Stech 01/23/2022 09:43AM

Yep, that is the future I see for the ACC -- TerryD 01/23/2022 11:55AM

If true, we both lose. ND ends ups 1 vote in the B1G where they control you -- Stech 01/23/2022 12:18PM

The ND admin has to do this so the donation pool does not suffer -- goldendomer 01/23/2022 5:12PM

Yep, I get the dilemma. ** -- Stech 01/23/2022 5:19PM

That seems to be the size of it, yep. ** -- TerryD 01/23/2022 3:10PM

I am not usually a fatalist, but the ACC is in trouble and Phillips knows -- goldendomer 01/23/2022 12:19PM

Wouldn't surprise me to see PAC schools going 2 the B1G, the $ is 2-3 times -- Stech 01/23/2022 12:25PM

That will make it more palatable to ND -- TerryD 01/23/2022 2:48PM

Yep, you have LA, San Francisco, Chicago and NYC covered in that B1G. -- Stech 01/23/2022 4:00PM

ND wants the ACC to survive for two reasons: -- TerryD 01/23/2022 08:29AM

ND doesn't want the ACC to survive that much...lol -- EDGEMAN 01/23/2022 09:55AM

If Notre Dame is forced to pick its poison, then which poison do think it -- VTHokie2000 01/23/2022 09:55AM

ND will pick Poison 1 in a second with no doubts ** -- TerryD 01/23/2022 11:57AM

We will not join the ACC for football. That dream has died.. -- goldendomer 01/24/2022 11:51AM

I know that Notre Dame will never join the ACC in football. -- VTHokie2000 01/25/2022 09:13AM

The answer is yes, it would -- TerryD 01/26/2022 12:30AM

I'm not that surprised by the answer. At the same time that position does -- VTHokie2000 01/26/2022 12:58PM

I would not be shocked if ND went D-2 if athletes are made employees -- goldendomer 01/25/2022 09:23AM

That would not shock me either -- TerryD 01/26/2022 12:31AM

Oddly letting ND play in 2020 was a huge mistake, the schedule you played -- Stech 01/23/2022 11:20AM

2020 turned ND off from conference play even more ** -- TerryD 01/24/2022 11:19AM

Dude, that would be a normal schedule for most teams. The ACC -- goldendomer 01/23/2022 11:34AM

Dude you are taking my post wrong, my point isn't that ND manipulated the -- Stech 01/23/2022 11:52AM

You did not answer my question Miami was not that good last year. -- goldendomer 01/23/2022 11:55AM

Miami ended the year ranked 18, not sure what else you are asking. ** -- Stech 01/23/2022 12:05PM

I am saying do you believe that Clemson playing a ACC schedule was given -- goldendomer 01/23/2022 12:08PM

I agree you were the 2nd best team, but better matchups would have been -- Stech 01/23/2022 12:50PM

I buy everything you are saying for the why you are aligned, but the -- Stech 01/23/2022 09:16AM

The ACC is in real trouble. That disastrous contract will ensure the -- goldendomer 01/23/2022 10:51AM

ESPN clearly doesn’t want to open the contract, the old Southern Conference -- Stech 01/23/2022 11:23AM

Even if enough schools decide to leave the ACC at once to where -- VTHokie2000 01/23/2022 09:59AM

It's obvious ESPN/SEC/ND want to end the ACC, to get playoff expansion now!

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