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ND can last longer than the others, but their money started with football &

to sustain their success they cannot be tier 2. Not even Notre Dame. Drip by drip and now admitting to being tier 2 is and will become more and more difficult for them.

(In response to this post by seekoHoG)

Posted: 07/11/2016 at 8:42PM

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Swarbrick: Football independence and no playoff expansion are ND's goals -- TerryD 07/10/2016 10:12PM

You can call yourself any thing you want to. -- Maroon Doom 07/11/2016 1:01PM

They were already playing about 3 ACC teams per yr usually ** -- hokeyhokie 07/12/2016 08:27AM

It was three Big Ten schools per year -- TerryD 07/12/2016 11:39AM

Ah, September in the Big Ten. -- HOO86 07/12/2016 12:01PM

ND also used to play Pitt and BC in the Big East -- TerryD 07/12/2016 12:08PM

The best parts of that conference are here now. -- HOO86 07/12/2016 3:04PM

Yeah, I agree. The requirement to play an average of 5 ACC games each year -- seekoHoG 07/11/2016 7:57PM

When independence is more important than winning anything, it's foreign. -- HOO86 07/11/2016 10:56AM

I wonder how much of this is actual belief vs head fake? -- marcbvtgm 07/12/2016 08:48AM

Actual belief--Here is ND's"self standard" re playoffs -- TerryD 07/12/2016 1:43PM

That would seem to work for ND most years -- East Cobb Hokie 07/12/2016 5:19PM

I think it will be a successor. Swarbrick made the current arrangement. -- HOO86 07/12/2016 11:49AM

I noticed that comment more than any other. -- Will Stewart

07/11/2016 4:01PM

It is a Darwinian exercise. Eventually ND will join a P conference or drop -- daveinop 07/12/2016 08:00AM

Never discount that ND may choose to drop down -- TerryD 07/12/2016 12:11PM

That would be fine with me. Recognize it would make BC the face of -- daveinop 07/12/2016 2:03PM

Ok...... ** -- TerryD 07/12/2016 2:21PM

They have also restored it each time as well. -- East Cobb Hokie 07/12/2016 1:21PM

They'll care when it hurts the bottom line. ** -- corvt2000 07/11/2016 6:42PM

And/or hurts recruiting... -- Mr. Touchdown 07/12/2016 10:03AM

Money is not the driver for ND. Their bottom line is not the issue. ** -- seekoHoG 07/11/2016 7:48PM

Again, its easy for them to make that claim while they have steady -- corvt2000 07/11/2016 9:28PM

ND can last longer than the others, but their money started with football & -- Stech 07/11/2016 8:42PM

Will, you were in threads on the subscriber side where Hokies would rather -- PadrosWindup 07/11/2016 6:04PM

Re: I noticed that comment more than any other. -- SoCloseHokie 07/11/2016 4:36PM

He wisely left the door open though, with the follow up of ND staying Indy -- Stech 07/11/2016 4:25PM

I know. It's a bunch of old schoolers simply being elitist and stubborn. -- chuckd4vt 07/11/2016 3:08PM

Are you saying ND would win the ACC title often? -- TerryD 07/11/2016 2:31PM

ND would have to figure out how to beat FSU and Clemson like the rest of us -- HOO86 07/11/2016 4:23PM

A 12 win ACC Champion ND would be in playoff 99.9% ** -- cvillehokie92 07/11/2016 3:52PM

ND doesn't care what the "world" thinks about how it runs things ** -- TerryD 07/11/2016 1:24PM

That's fine while they make money. If they get shut out of a chance -- corvt2000 07/11/2016 6:46PM

Obviously. ** -- HOO86 07/11/2016 1:29PM

It's all about being "special"... -- gman86 07/11/2016 12:53PM

I'm fine with ND staying in the current arrangement with the ACC. -- HOO86 07/11/2016 1:32PM

Real world gains from independence far outweigh theoretical gains -- lawhokie 07/11/2016 1:08PM

As long as ND recognizes that every game is an exhibition game, fine. -- HOO86 07/11/2016 1:28PM

Every game is an exhibition game -- 33laszlo99 07/11/2016 6:14PM

No they aren't. VT plays for Coastal Championships. -- HOO86 07/12/2016 11:51AM

Exactly. -- Atlee Hokie 07/13/2016 11:19PM

You said that better than I tried, thanks ** -- TerryD 07/11/2016 9:11PM

The G5 members are paid handsomely to sit there and look pretty. ** -- crabcake77 07/11/2016 7:37PM

So, if ND goes 12-0 and every conference champ goes 11-2 or 10-3... -- TerryD 07/11/2016 1:37PM

If ND goes 12-0 and all of the other 5 champions are 10-3. -- HOO86 07/11/2016 4:11PM

The problem with your theory is that the CFP pollsters didn't act like that -- lawhokie 07/12/2016 07:55AM

If ND had beaten Stanford, they would have been ranked fifth at the end. -- HOO86 07/12/2016 11:42AM

Pure speculation. What is not speculation, is that the Irish... -- lawhokie 07/12/2016 12:55PM

Not seeing"weak performance in every game and two big game flops" in these. -- TerryD 07/13/2016 12:46PM

99% of the time the CFP committee with have 4 Conferences in final rank. -- HOO86 07/12/2016 1:49PM

Re: 99% of the time the CFP committee with have 4 Conferences in final rank. -- 33laszlo99 07/14/2016 12:09AM

Not sure if you're joking about this... -- lawhokie 07/12/2016 8:32PM

Yeah but they want ratings and an undefeated ND team is in unless -- corvt2000 07/11/2016 9:30PM

Conferences own the playoffs. Without them, there is no playoff. -- crabcake77 07/11/2016 1:53PM

I will take that bet (so will ND)** -- TerryD 07/11/2016 1:52PM

What bet exactly are you taking? ** -- crabcake77 07/11/2016 1:54PM

The one you stated, 6-6 conference champs will.... -- TerryD 07/11/2016 2:23PM

No, I said it wouldn't bother me if it worked out that way. -- crabcake77 07/11/2016 5:35PM

No, ESPN owns the playoffs. They pay for it and will not just -- corvt2000 07/11/2016 9:39PM

Show me in this link where it says ESPN owns the playoffs: -- crabcake77 07/11/2016 11:09PM

Who pays for it? Who has put up hundreds of millions of dollars -- corvt2000 07/12/2016 12:53PM

Exactly, the conferences own it. -- crabcake77 07/12/2016 3:08PM

"to preserve ND's Indepence for as long as possible ", sounds like he knows -- Stech 07/11/2016 01:26AM

Nah, you are parsing words ** -- TerryD 07/11/2016 07:15AM

Did you see ND doing a 5 game ACC football agreement before it happened? -- Stech 07/11/2016 10:45AM

The current playoff structure lasts until 2025 -- TerryD 07/11/2016 1:44PM

That is a question I been wanting to ask the Notre Dame posters. -- VaTechie 07/11/2016 11:51AM

Things changed, but for the next 12 years, the playoffs -- TerryD 07/11/2016 1:42PM

Most likely scenario for change is Big 12 going under or losing P status. -- daveinop 07/11/2016 2:28PM

ND becoming full member...not in our lifetime -- nebraskafaninwi 07/11/2016 09:13AM

If winning the MNC is not important, then I agree. ** -- Mr. Touchdown 07/11/2016 11:56AM

Did you see the SEC, ACC and B1G going to 14, 13 years ago? ** -- Stech 07/11/2016 10:37AM

Yes....and to expect ND and TX -- nebraskafaninwi 07/11/2016 12:11PM

Don't fall into the trap that the majority of the the Power Conference -- Stech 07/11/2016 1:43PM

I'm not seeing it either despite their agreement with the ACC -- hokeyhokie 07/11/2016 09:55AM

For some odd reason, I feel there's a higher probability that ND will... -- EDGEMAN 07/11/2016 10:09AM

ND roots are in the East, not the mid-west. ** -- East Cobb Hokie 07/12/2016 5:21PM

I don't consider myself a ND... -- Toastie Hokie 07/10/2016 10:58PM